Talk:IceCast

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Why no nabble link? Something from the past? The link seemed on-topic and relevant. JoSwujDa 15:23, 27 Sep 2005 (GMT)

Thanks for raising the question. I am the one who added this link because it is a useful third-party tool for the IceCast users. If you have an IceCast question, you can search or post it there. It's a nice complement to the IceCast mailing lists. The IceCast mailing lists are here: http://www.icecast.org/mailinglist.php - note there is no way to search them. Nabble archive allows cross search of all the IceCast lists: http://www.nabble.com/Icecast-f2880.html

--BrutusLee 02:02, 29 Sep 2005 (GMT)

Nabble appears to have the advantage of being advertisement free right now as well as having some nice features. However, I delete their links for several reasons. No one reason is by itself enough, they must be taken together:

1. They continually add links to nabble sites for many of iA's topics.
2. Additionally, they provide the links as though they were the official links. For a while I would modify the links to point out that they are unofficial. They are not interested in listing the official forum as well, which leads me to think they are more interested in Google rankings for themselves than the projects they post for. Some projects may be available that are hosted exclusively on Nabble, which may make them the official but that was not what I gleaned from my audit.
3. It appears that Nabble just copies content from other lists. This would be fine except for the fact that there are similar projects that take information from infoAnarchy as well as Wikipedia and simply republish it with advertisements. Nabble is not currently doing this but may start.
4. Lastly, because these links are not coming from regular contributors, I distrust them. Although I found a very positive review, I don't know if this is really something people are using and I don't have time to log on and check every Web site posted. I must use my fuzzy logic to determine good links.

I am available to the possibility that I may have misjudged this project. However, when someone posts to iA, I must decide if the links is valuable and not just another Google bomb. Nabble appears to be the latter. Webfork

I really don't understand most of your points. What they may do later can't be used in any way to judge them now (or we can stop using Google already). The fact that they may put advertising later is not against them either, we link to slashdot and kuro5hin already. Advertising supported mailing list archive as never been considered evil anyway, and consider Google groups for example. As for the Google bomb menace, I don't care as long as the links are good. In the current case this is really an Icecast forum were many users interact and one can expect having his question answered. And frankly, if Nabble turns evil it won't be much work to remove all the links. Your last point is particularly bothersome, there are not many regulars contributors to this wiki and welcoming the new ones by deleting their content is not exactly a proven method to keep them. So IMHO, we should just continue to add unofficial when the original contributor forgets it. -- JoSwujDa 20:35, 2 Oct 2005 (GMT)

Also, to reduce the Google bombing effect I created a Nabble page and instead of linking to the site link to this one. -- JoSwujDa 20:49, 2 Oct 2005 (GMT)