Talk:Cyberpunk

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To me cyberpunk is the idea of a ghetto, underground culture of hackers that are actively anti-establishment and fight for what they believe in. But not just that, it's also the whole world around it. It's about technology becoming Absolute in its dominance of our lifestyles, and VERY MUCH about companies becoming "transnationals" or "megacorps" that supply its employees with everything - food, clothing, housing, transport, the whole thing. If you piss off your employer, you're pretty much dead. It's about extreme lawlessness and anarchy, guns and the internet and crime blurring into one. It's capitalism taken to the furthest extreme. It's a very dystopian vision of the future that doesn't look as likely in 2003 as it did in 1987. -- Amw
See Terry Gilliams' "Brazil". -- Webfork
I would call "Brazil" more the idea of taking bureaucracy to the extreme. That is in fact the precise opposite of what i see as being uniquely cyberpunk. If companies are all-powerful, there is no need for bureaucracy - if someone is trusted, he is trusted, if someone is not, he can be removed - no paperwork involved. -- Amw
Sounds more like Moscow, Beijing, PyongYang or Havana or something from horror or sci-fi literature to me. - ABliss
From what i gather, Gibson and later others based the idea on Tokyo - millions of people, lots of intrusive flashy advertizing... I'd like to put my summary on the main page as the first paragraph. What do you think? -- Amw
I'm not familiar with the term. Is it a thing, an observation?, or a vision? If you do rewrite it try to make it clear as possible. I didn't like Gibson's novel. I don't like sci-fi that reads like playing a puzzle. - ABliss
The only objection I may have to that is: I haven't read Gibson's book where he mentions Cyberpunk. Or the other ones. I've only read the roleplaying games where, yes, the dystopian future you describe is in effect. Very Blade Runner. But the word itself means two things: tech-savvy and anti-establishment, not necessarily a story setting. On the other hand, I can't think of any other person I would refer to as a cyberpunk... if you can find some kind of middle ground, by all means post to front page. Webfork

Well the refactoring is done, i hope you guys like it. Cyberpunk has been one of my favorite genres of movie, book and game since i was very young... -- Amw

If it is a post-industrial scenario, how come the cyberpunk world has things in it which require industry to produce? Like where do people get their guns and energy? - ABliss
Full corporate control of natural resources. Gas/energy isn't given to anyone who isn't signed on with the corporation. Think about Bladerunner, how it's dark everywhere... that's because the corporations have the money and everyone else just has to figure it out themselves. -- Amw

Thanks for pointing these movies out. I haven't seen any of these movies, though i will have soon some. Except regarding computers, Soylent Green is on the same subject. Sci-fi, capitalism, industrialised, dystopian. The movie is a bit old, though (1973). Because it's not about computers, how would you call this genre?

Another movie everyone should see is 2001: A space odyssey, which is also about computers and the trust of them, but less about activism/anarchy/underground/revolution. Beautiful sound and graphics. Plus it has enought things unclear/open to think about. -- dpi